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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:59:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Mag's wrote:No.
Answer me these.
What does those 80 single accounts gain, that cannot be gained by another 80 solo accounts?
80 x more Ice per hour, (per player).
The effective income remains the same. That person with 80 accounts has to PLEX those 80 accounts, which takes the same amount of time as a player with 1 account. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2748
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Posted - 2013.03.23 01:19:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:ISBoxer: 1 human input, 79 bots.
Tell us all about how those 79 accounts require zero human input. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2756
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:17:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:sabre906 wrote:+1 Gizznitt Malikite wrote: They don't earn ice at a faster rate / pilot than anyone else....
ISBoxer is not the problem... the problem is Ice doesn't deplete.... If those ice roids popped regularly, then multiboxing 80 clients would become very inefficient and/or tedious.
As inefficient and/or tedious as 1 client? Botter =/= human multiboxing Human input amount for 80 accounts: Banned bot: 0 human input, 80 bots ISBoxer: 1 human input, 79 bots. Multiboxing: 80 human input, 0 bots. Tell us all about how those 79 accounts require zero human input. sabre906 wrote:+1
Human input amount for 80 accounts: Banned bot: 0 human input, 80 bots ISBoxer: 1 human input, 79 bots. Multiboxing: 80 human input, 0 bots.
You still haven't told us how those 79 accounts require zero human input to do stuff.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2756
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:20:00 -
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Mocam wrote:Might as well simply tell new people "try it for a couple weeks, then buy your extra accounts - the more, the better. If you don't run a bunch, don't expect to participate outside of highsec." Lovely advertising campaign to attract new players, isn't it?
What I find ironic, is this has only become an issue for people since an E-UNI member was banned for botting.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2765
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Posted - 2013.03.26 21:17:00 -
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Mocam wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Mocam wrote:Might as well simply tell new people "try it for a couple weeks, then buy your extra accounts - the more, the better. If you don't run a bunch, don't expect to participate outside of highsec." Lovely advertising campaign to attract new players, isn't it? What I find ironic, is this has only become an issue for people since an E-UNI member was banned for botting. uhh... Not quite but nice try at a twist of it. I posted some of this stuff just after the riots with "golden ammo" and "don't listen to what they say...". I looked into the mass amount of alts and how CCP seems to be marketing more to existing customers than able to attract new ones. That trend has only accelerated. What is funny is a goon talking about such references. The 25 page threadnaught about goons supporting botting had a hell of a lot more validity to it than your attempts at slamming the uni for contacting CCP about concerns on the issues. Or don't you recall that old thread? Last year stuff I know but it ran rather long and was a fun read - demonstrating quite a bit of your outfits ... personality. :-)
I didn't play for most of last year, so I really have no idea what you're talking about. On a more serious note, the current outcry against multiboxing started on the same day that Kelduum had his big cry about botting isk that was rightfully taken from E-UNI. At least he had the decency to resign as CEO though Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2793
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Posted - 2013.03.30 10:29:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:I didn't play for most of last year, so I really have no idea what you're talking about. On a more serious note, the current outcry against multiboxing started on the same day that Kelduum had his big cry about botting isk that was rightfully taken from E-UNI. At least he had the decency to resign as CEO though I haven't played for years and just got in after WoW's 5.2 patch (bored to death with the same o' same o'), but this isn't about a market macro program, it's about the bane of multibox players programs like that usher in. When you've seen what they can do all by *1* player to wreak the fun of 40+ players with *1* mouse click, yeah, it's a concern. Devs tolerate it due to $$$, but for individual players it ruins their fun, as concentrated firepower like that can't be easily changed ingame by players (unless everyone multiboxes, and the game is but bot play...and that is cost prohibitive let alone not even gaming. It's even worse than 100% PvE gameplay).
Picking out the source character isn't too difficult. Bomb the source & the other 39 characters become useless. People that multibox in such a way are worse off than 40 individual players, but apparently it's too hard to pick out the source character. Hint: It's the one that does everything first.
Ace Uoweme wrote:Imagine them running PvP fleets - 1 player behind the wheel. Talking about game imbalance. In WoW such multiboxers literally own PvP battlegrounds, no chance to win. Put them in a FW or null fleet, it's the same results (would take a blob to defeat them because of the concentrated firepower 1 click can offer...a huge blob). Couple players like that could own territory even.
In this case aswell, the multiboxer is worse off than a blob of equal size. Kill the source & it's over for the multiboxer. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2884
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Posted - 2013.05.14 05:16:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You may say that macro's are different from ISBoxer but you would be wrong. The only difference is that one allows you to be afk entirely while the other allows you to be afk from all but one account.
This doesn't make any sense. You're saying the person is at the keyboard & that they're somehow afk aswell.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2884
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Posted - 2013.05.14 05:19:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:
Feel free to explain how isboxer is a botting tool. We'll wait.
If you seriously need it explained to you then it isn't worth the time.
You claimed ISboxer is a botting tool when it isn't. You were asked to explain your theory & refused because ISboxer isn't a botting tool.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2885
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Posted - 2013.05.15 02:44:00 -
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Ellen Thrace wrote:yodayblack wrote:You have to be at the keyboard to do anything with Isboxer. Thus its not a bot program. Botting is when you go to sleep and your accounts still mine ice. Try that with isboxer. i will enjoy seeing your kill mails in the New Orders Front page.
Botting is not only when you are AFK, botting is when you use ANY automated process.
And ISboxer isn't automated, move along.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2889
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:59:00 -
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Ellen Thrace wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ellen Thrace wrote:yodayblack wrote:You have to be at the keyboard to do anything with Isboxer. Thus its not a bot program. Botting is when you go to sleep and your accounts still mine ice. Try that with isboxer. i will enjoy seeing your kill mails in the New Orders Front page.
Botting is not only when you are AFK, botting is when you use ANY automated process. And ISboxer isn't automated, move along. Yes it is. You move along.
Then explain to us all how ISboxer supposedly requires zero human input to function.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2891
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Posted - 2013.05.17 00:38:00 -
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Beast Branded wrote:Is Boxer is by it's own principal a violation of the EULA. It facilitates actions that lead to the acquisition at accelerated rate.
No it doesn't. Those accounts are still aquiring materials at the same rate as other accounts within the limits of game mechanics. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2893
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Posted - 2013.05.17 04:05:00 -
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Ellen Thrace wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Beast Branded wrote:Is Boxer is by it's own principal a violation of the EULA. It facilitates actions that lead to the acquisition at accelerated rate. No it doesn't. Those accounts are still aquiring materials at the same rate as other accounts within the limits of game mechanics. IsBoxer allows automation, which is in fact a violation of the EULA, an automation that facilitates actions that lead to the acquisition at accelerated rate.
So explain to us how an account being controlled by a multiboxer is aquiring materials faster than an account controlled by anyone else. Also explain how manually issuing commands is automation. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2896
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:33:00 -
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Beast Branded wrote:I said nothing about Automation. I Said that I believe that (based from CCP's own EULA), ISBoxer and programs similar to it does if fact Facilitate the Process of multi-boxing to a degree far beyond the capabilities of other normal Multi-boxing techniques. it allows one person to make isk at an impossible rate. Yes one person is giving manual commands, that not what i believe is the issue, I believe it's when that one command automatically goes to multiple (many) clients, that's a problem. CCP Soundwave said it best eve is about the interactions of the players. in eve people are meant to play/work together not by them-selves acting as a one man navy. BUT....... Hexor V wrote:Quote:Hello there,
To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.
Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).
An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!
Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.
I hope this clears up this matter.
Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support
Thanks Hexer and Sir Marksalot cheating or not it should still be evaluated IMO If a CSM, GM, or DEV can validate that old statement and/or formally ammendends their EULA... then this issue IMO is resolved.. This eve after all... And we all want more isk
That GM post was made a couple of weeks before Fanfest, so it's not an old statement. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2905
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:17:00 -
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Ellen Thrace wrote:Hexor V wrote:
- You don't understand what Multi-boxing is
- You don't understand what botting is
- You don't understand that there is a difference between them
- You don't understand what RMT is
- You don't understand what PLEX are nor the importance of them in EvE's economy
I understand them very well. But you don't, obviously. Stop saying what you think others think and just give your opinion on the matter. And stop trolling everybody.
Watch out guys, the troll wants you to stop making sense! The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
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